If you have a band, podcast, product, or platform, you probably know that digital marketing is important, but it certainly isn't simple. It's something this podcast, The BadChristian Podcast, and Emery have struggled to do well, and largely haven't done. Today I thought I'd have a conversation on air with a new acquaintance, Joe Kalis. So sit in as I ask questions and try to learn some better techniques and habits.

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